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Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.

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CandyFab Output + Ugly stick = ?

As noted on the list of questions and recently brought up again in the forums, it had been suggested at some point that it might be possible to smooth the rough edges of lower-resolution CandyFab sugar output by annealing it in the oven. The idea being that you heat it to the point that the structure softens enough to relieve stresses but does not yet deform-- slightly under the melting point. This is potentially a good method to avoid cracking. As a secondary effect, it is conceivable that the loosely attached material on the outside (the white fuzz) would preferentially melt, leaving an improved and (maybe) smoothed object, something like flame polishing. Well, that's the idea anyway.

In a household oven, this is a real challenge. As read with our (very good) pyrex thermometer, the oven temperature swings by as much 50 degrees when it's "at temperature." Yikes. So, we put a few of our objects to be destroyed, er, mini-docecahedrons on parchment paper, and into the oven they went. Actually, we cooked them one at atime. We put the cookie sheet in a cold oven and slowly raised the temperature, taking them out after half an hour. We took the temperature close to, but not reaching, 20 degrees below the melting point of sugar. And, as you can see in the picture of the two above, the effect was reproducibly less than stellar.

The loosely attached sugar on the outside of the models did melt, and flowed down the objects to form a puddle at the bottom. (The one on the right has been turned so that you can see the what the bottom puddle looks like.) Other than that, we observe (1) it did not result in a smooth finish (2) it resulted in additional caramelization/discoloring-- suggesting that the temperature was not as indicated-- perhaps just due to nonuniform temperature in the oven and (3) that the lower halves of the models look smaller than the upper halves, so there actually was bulk deformation occurring... meaning that we may not have even been in the annealing regime.

Conclusion? It's not obviously possible to achieve useful annealing under these conditions-- or possibly at all in a standard home oven. We may try again at a lower yet temperature. But, looks like this is one thing that we can add to the list of good ideas that just didn't work out.

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Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: dennis on Wednesday, October 31 2007 @ 01:53 AM PDT
Would a convection oven help with preventing uneven heating? Also, what if you use a small rack to hold the pieces above the pan to reduce heat concentrating in the metal and re-radiating?
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: schorhr on Friday, November 02 2007 @ 06:44 PM PDT
Just a simple question from a sugar-proccessing newb:

How about "Shock"-heating a sculpture in the oven at a temprature above the melting poing, and removing it relativly quickly, so just the rough texture melts and the surface gets smooth, but the rest of the suggary sweetness stays unharmed?
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Sunday, November 25 2007 @ 10:37 AM PDT
what about doing the same thing but underwater? sugar melt in hot water, but if you're careful it can do better results, water has a larger thermal capacity so maybe it would be easier to control temperature, then you have to consider the effect of water on the sugar, but i think that it's worth a try
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Friday, November 30 2007 @ 06:49 PM PDT
Really, you want the annealing to occur with uniform heating in a gravity free environment. That would take a good oven on a sub-orbital vomit comet like plane ride or being in space. Since that isn't realistic for the home user, an earthbound approach is necessary. The closest you can get to zero G effect is to spin and fall in a fluid whether it is a liquid or gas phase (air). So maybe small projects could be annealed in an oven that spins them in a vortex of air. It should be pressurized and the jets forming the vortex should not be significantly hotter than the rest of the air in the oven (recycled air). Or taking this further, the objects ti be annealed could be spun and dropped through a heating zone like toast being dropped into an open bottomed toaster: cooking would be based on heat and length of the heating zone, adjusted to meet the size of the objects.
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Monday, December 03 2007 @ 11:30 PM PDT
Why not try "flame polishing" with a hairdryer or low power heat gun?
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Saturday, December 08 2007 @ 11:34 PM PDT
What if you heated some type of material in the oven with a high heat-capacity? Then you could turn off the oven and wait till it reached the proper temperature before putting the sugar inside. You know that the oven cannot get hotter then why you put them in, so if you have an accurate thermometer it should be easy to measure. You could use bricks for something very simple, but large chunks of cast iron would be a relatively cheap upgrade that would be more stable as it has a higher heat-transfer coefficient.

Here would be an example process:
Load oven with bricks wrapped in aluminum foil (so you can use your oven for cooking again when you’re done), then heat the oven to 50 degrees over desired temperature. Wait for it to reach temperature and hold for maybe 30 minutes or until your ‘thermal mass’ has reached the correct temperature. Then turn off the oven and wait for it to cool the 50 degrees to your proper temperature. Add the sugar objects and in theory if its below the melting point they won’t melt… They should be able to stay for a long as the temperature will slowly go through the material. Remove them and allow them to cool. Walha. Hopefully a working annealing method!
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Saturday, January 05 2008 @ 07:53 AM PDT
Perhaps put some pyrex basins of very salty water in the oven? With enough water, the temperature should be more controllable within a small range.
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 04:11 AM PDT
I think the idea of anealing it would work great if only the temprature control necessary was available. maybe immersion in warm water would do the trick better?
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Saturday, June 07 2008 @ 05:56 PM PDT
Perhaps a better approach might be to dip the sugar model into warm water. The first features to melt would be the thinnest parts, which at that resolution seems like it is the "noise". Another approach would be to dip it into something that would coat it like dipping a candle into wax to build a smooth layer.
Both of these approaches degrade the model somewhat, like blurring a photograph. When you scan a picture from a magazine you often get a moire pattern, and blurring can often increases the readability of the image.
Annealing in the oven - Don't (bother to) try this at home.
From: Anonymous on Monday, June 30 2008 @ 09:38 AM PDT
I would try a small propane torch, like those often used in kitchens for creme brulee, to quickly anneal the sculptures. The high heat can be quickly applied and removed to soften the edges without melting the structural shape. With practice it might even be possible to apply a light-dark pattern to the piece.